Altar is a collaborative album by Japanese experimental music group Boris and American drone metal band Sunn O))), released on October 31, 2006 through Southern Lord Records (SUNN62).

Live bootleg. AKA Flightless Bird Needs Water Wings;
Oboreru Tobenai Tori wa Mizutani ga Hitsuyo.

1 - 6 All Tracks Recorded in Kyoto '70 Studio & Live (Monoral), Arrangements by Mizutani / Kubota / Makino
7 Track Recorded in Tokyo '73 Live (Stereo), Arrangements by Les Rallizes Denudes In Kyoto '70
Mizutani Takashi: vocal / fuzz & side guitar
Makino Tadanaka: all purcussions
Kubota Makoto: backing lead guitar also lead guitarof the first half in the6th track / bass guitar / purcussions(Later he formed the band "Sandii &Sunzets")
In Tokyo '73 Les Rallizes Denudes :
Mizutani Takashi: vocal / lead guitar
Nakamura Takeshi: rythem guitar
Shoda Shunichiro: drums

不在话下（not in catalog）2015 年 11 月组建于北京，成员是赵丛（低音吉他），阿炳（吉他），洛的来（鼓），朱文博（吉他/管乐/唱），他们是北京地下/实验音乐场景里活跃的乐手，观众，乐迷，活动组织者，记录者，出版人…… 不在话下是他们一个摇滚乐计划，走在各个时期摇滚乐演化方向的反面。
这张专辑是 2016 年 7 月在杭州录制，录音/制作由乐队好友邓成龙完成。邓成龙是此前 XP 的音响师，后来搬家到了杭州，有了一个自己的制作厂牌劳工便当。不在话下的专辑是劳工便当的第二个制作出品。
专辑共有 9 首歌，CD，乐队手工包装，涂写，总计 500 张，无编号。
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